As a trader, I would say this is a minor correction and we really should not read much into it. :) (of course, this is not a financial graph, but I’ve seen the similar patterns of impulse/correction in many graphs that measure opinion and/or human activity)
I’m sorry to say that, but you get you’re definition wrong. “decentralized” means “which has no center anymore”. ActivityPub is decentralized. The usual criticism of the Fediverse by peer to peer networks such as Secure Scuttlebutt or Dat is not that ActivityPub is not decentralized, but that it will eventually “recentralize”, like client/server models tend to do, when one instance capture all the traffic (like Gmail with SMTP, we already see signs of that with mastodon.social, but we’re still very far from it to be a center). I think that maybe you’ve been exposed to that argument and misunderstood it?
What you really want to say is that ActivityPub is not p2p. You can criticize the fact that there is a server/client model behind it, which means that users don’t really own their data and can lost it if the server goes down - that’s a valid criticism.
To which I would answer that it’s a tradeoff. :) ActivityPub is built on top of HTTP, the well known protocol on which the web is built. This makes it dirt simple to build an ActivityPub app. The difference of adoption rate between SSB, Dat or IPFS and ActivityPub has nothing to do with luck. It’s HTTP and JSON, it’s just simpler (and easier) to build on top of ActivityPub. Not only that, but it’s a w3c standard. Which means, for people like me who have been burnt by building apps on top of the Beaker Browser only to see it abandoned, that we can trust there won’t be any rug pull. That matters.
And of course, you can also… run your own server (look into self-hosting if you’re interested in that, there’s a vibrant community here on Lemmy about that). If you run your server, then you own your data and the other servers become your peers. The idea that only others (presumably big companies) can have servers is a very centralized way of thinking.
2033 is maybe a bit too far for me. :P Here one for 2027 : “Y (previously known as Reddit) finally shuts down after failing its pivot to b2b AGI support board. CEO says the world doesn’t deserve Y anyway.”
Bluesky already implemented that
Oh really? Awesome. I’m still not going to use a generalist social network, but they’re doing it right. :)
although most users will just stick to the default one
Yeah, indeed. My taste for tinkering may be showing, I should acknowledge it’s not something widespread. 😅
I would one up that suggestion : what could be awesome would be to allow users to choose which sorting algorithm they use, and possibly tweak it. This would allow people to share the sorting logic they like, and there would be no trust issue, since you can verify the logic is respected by changing it.
Not sure how realistic this proposal is, though, because this could lead to performance issues if users submit too complicated sorting logic, which could be exploited to DoS an instance. On the other hand, it could be solved with a timeout mechanism : “if your query takes more than 100 ms to load, we kill it”. And also, you can’t just let users run arbitrary SQL, obviously, so this would require to implement some sort of meta-language safely transpiled, this would be the real challenge.
In such a widespread usage, there would probably not be “the fediverse” anymore, but a galaxy of clusters of interconnected instances. Spam would be a serious problem, so instances would switch to whitelisting instances they want to federate with instead of just occasionally “defederating” from them. It would not only happen because of spam, by the way, but also because of political/cultural/ideological divergences. Maybe even because of laws.
There would be a boom of innovations, made possible because of the data openly accessible and the fact that we would finally have a standard on which to build upon to create third party applications (which, from a developer perspective, was the promise of the web-2.0 and its APIs, but never truly materialized). You would see alternative frontends for everything, and applications that allow to get new insights or use your data in new and smart ways.
The big businesses would still be around, by the way. They would open their own instances, publish lot of ads and add cool features found nowhere else so that most people join their instances, which would quickly become the go to instances for everyone, dwarving all other instances. We would spend a lot of time evangelizing so that people join smaller instances instead, but our folks would answer that it’s less convenient, they would have less easy to use features and their account is already at BigCo anyway. Plus, to fight spam, terrorism, child pornography, nazis or whatever is the scarecrow then, they would severely limit the possibility for small instances to interop with them, adding arbitrary technical barriers that most implementers won’t succeed in hoping. But we won’t care that much, because we will have our own alternative networks with more content on them than ever.
GitHub is a great platform, which has championed open-source for decades, now. I don’t think anybody has anything to blame them for (except people not liking the idea that AI is trained on their code, like sibling mentioned), it’s more about fears it may go bad. Because basically, it’s where most of the code of the world is hosted, it’s a single point of failure. People also have questioned the pertinence of having all open-source code hosted on a proprietary platform. And the acquisition by Microsoft also had a chilling effect on those of us who remember Internet Explorer 6’s Microsoft more than VSCode’s Microsoft.
For those reasons, it is desirable for those who love the idea of decentralization to look up for alternatives. But even there, it’s perfectly fine to stay on GitHub, “decentralizing” doesn’t require everybody to leave. :) Plus, even when using an other forge, it’s still good to keep publishing mirrors on GitHub for visibility and discoverability, currently.
Oh wow, thanks for that video, that was brilliant. :D
Indeed, if you had a teacher who made your class read Being and Nothingness without explaining phenomenology first, it feels like punishment or something. :) Not that Husserl and Heidegger are easier to read, but at least they don’t presuppose other readings to be understood. That being said, I kind of get it, existentialism can be seen as its own thing, especially in Sartre’s non-philosophy work (he wrote several novels and theater scripts). But not through Being and Nothingness. 😂
Oh, ok, your article sounded so close I thought it was inspired by it. :) It’s a very european thing, mostly developed in Germany and France. I have by blood with it, though. I’ve always been more interested in analytical philosophy so I didn’t like it. Which shouldn’t have been a problem, there are many schools of philosophy, right? Except I studied at a university where the philosophy department was specialized in it. Every day I was wondering what I was doing there. :) I actually consider it wasted my university years, so I’m probably not the good person to talk to you about it. 😅 (but your own articles stopped short of talking non-sense like phenomenology does in my opinion, so it was good to read, it’s like taking only the good parts of phenomenology ;) ). The main authors, if you want to know more, are Heidegger, Husserl and Sartre. A note of warning though that it’s very hard to read (well, at least if you have an analytical mind, I suspect it depends on people personality).
The same goes for your RPGs - they’re more than welcome if you feel they’re ready for public consumption
Oh, no, thanks. Actually, not being ready for public consumption is their whole point. :) I used to write (as an amateur) when I was younger, only to be confronted to a wall of indifference at each publication. So I was going back to it, doing my best, putting unreasonable amount of hours to make it likable, and still this indifference - in part because, I realized later, my folks just didn’t like reading anyway. But it turned out that trying to please people was a terrible experience. Nobody was having fun, including me. When I started playing my RPGs solo, the reason why I enjoyed it so much was because I put this simple rule : nobody will ever read it. From there, I don’t have to ask myself questions like “is it too long?”, “is it too short?”, “is it properly explained?”, “does the pace progress fast enough?”, etc. I’m just exploring and enjoying it. :) My oldest campaign (I play three different games) has a word count that would cover at least three novels, and it would be terribly boring to read, because of the slow moving pace, the returns to previous places that break the pace, the long sequences when there is just no narrative arc, the pages and pages of shopping narration, etc. And I don’t care, because it’s not meant to be read. :) I’m not writing, I’m exploring my imagination, spending just as much time I want where I want, with no regard to what makes an efficient story - or even just legible text, for the matter. It’s basically a videogame powered by imagination. :) The day I even consider it may be read, all of that collapses.
You’re welcome, if I did my part to fight online harassment, this is a good day. :) You should consider legal action, though, if you have laws against that in your country (I assume it’s most countries, nowadays?). The instance of this or those guys can be subpoenaed to provide their IP address, which then can be used to uncover their identity.
Thanks for the invitation, btw. The whole concept sounds fun. :) I enjoyed the article about imagination engine, it’s on the edge of phenomenology, but still keeping things rational (I have a history with phenomenology 😅). I have my own way of exploring my imagination (written solo RPGs, it’s basically how I spent my evenings), but I’ll have fun reading your content. :) Enjoy!
Oh, my bad, I have yet to get used to the fact that we’re having the same discussions over different apps. :)
If you can install custom stylesheets (some options are documented here), I’ve tested this rule to work for removing downvotes:
.vote__down { display: none !important; }
It will work only for you, though, not for other people on your forum (unless you’re an instance owner and can change the website stylesheets file).
An other rule to remove upvotes if you want to:
.vote__up { display: none !important; }
Hey Arotrios, sorry for what you have to go through. I imagine you already know that, but I think it’s worth reminding you : you can hide upvotes/downvotes in Lemmy’s preferences by unticking the “show scores” option. That way, stalking and serial downvoting is just wasting the abuser time and finger’s articulations. :) Honestly, rating everything people say is a toxic feature anyway, it’s both addictive and generating anxiety. I’m glad Lemmy allows to disable it, I’m way more at peace since I’ve done it.
It’s totally not crazy thinking. :) I think the main problem is that while Mastodon and Lemmy implement the server to server part of ActivityPub, they don’t implement the client to server part of the standard, and instead build their own REST API and client. This is why, while you can subscribe to actors from an other application, it looks bad : it’s supposed to be consumed in their own client, or something that tries to emulate it (that, and the fact that they each implement their own extensions to ActivityPub, it doesn’t help).
In a perfect world, ActivityPub based applications would implement the client to server part or the standard too, so that we have a multitude of third party clients that can consume data from any ActivityPub based application without looking broken. I certainly hope we go in this direction in the future, because interoperability looks half-baked, as it is right now, and the fediverse would be just more awesome with such upgrade.
Who in a decentralised system can or should take responsibility?
The customers. :) Ear me out:
The main reason why there is so much problems with deliveries (way more with UPS, DHL and the likes than Uber Eats deliverers, in my own experience) is because we’re not their customers, in their heads. They’re paid by the merchants (UPS/DHL/etc are paid by your shop keeper), or they’re paid by the platform (rider is paid Uber Eats/Deliveroo/etc), but the end customer is just part of the constraints, for them, especially since the customer doesn’t even choose who will deliver their package (you don’t like UPS? Too bad!). Give the customer that choice, and make them pay directly for the delivery to the deliverer, and I guarantee all those problems will go away. This is why I said we need a decentralized reputation system : so that the customer can see the reputation of local delivery service before selecting them.
When the problem is with the shop, well, this is already sort of dealt with. We already have reviews systems and we already select our shops, so it does happen that shops behave poorly, but not for long. Although, users have to be educated about verifying reviews, and developers have to implement countermeasures and stay on top of the review cheating game.
And to avoid problems with the platform, we have the interoperability of standards like ActivityPub : there is one global network (like the fediverse, or the web), and multiple programs are implemented to use it. They have a incentive to work well because there is competition, something that centralized platforms eliminate altogether.
Indeed, there needs to be third parties who control quality - just like there are moderators here, if you think about it. We already sort of have those moderators : local shop keepers. I’d be satisfied with a service that allows me to leverage all those local shops without having to leave my place (as I mentioned in an other comment on this page : “Uber Eats/Deliveroo for everything”).
Totally agree, what we really need is a “Uber Eats/Deliveroo for everything”, leveraging local businesses. And if we can get a decentralized reputation system, then such platform can be decentralized as well.
as in my experience, most regular users do not have a Matrix client installed
I understand your point, but by that logic, we should use Reddit rather than Lemmy, as most users are there. It’s not only about ease of use, it’s about being sure users won’t be abused. Discord is still in its acquisition phase, but you can be sure enremovedification will come next.
Thanks for raising the issue.
Most probably, people who made that decision are not aware of the implications and made that choice in good faith, so it’s worth giving reasons why you want them to avoid proprietary software, rather than just frowning at them.
To the admins of lemmy.world and anyone who feels confuse about why this is an issue : it is about freedom. You all know how Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc are turning ugly, and you can’t do anything about it. With FOSS (Free and Open Source Software), when it turns ugly, you can do something about it. You (or any technical person who agrees with you) can take the code and go your own way with it (we call that “forking”). No decision of the authors can be forced upon you. Similarly, if you think something is not working right, you can fix it yourself, and send the changes to the maintainers of the code, who usually are happy to get some help. So it’s also about freedom of fixing your own problems, instead of waiting and praying the authors do something about it.
And this is the whole spirit of the Fediverse : taking matters in our own hands instead of being betrayed once more by a company which decides that their bottom line requires to be user hostile. One day, this will happen to Discord to, it always ends up there. That’s why people using Lemmy who are aware of those problems are not happy with seeing lemmy.world use Discord.
Thanks to the admins of lemmy.world for all the work they provide to the Fediverse.
“karma” (as reddit calls scoring) never was more true to its name. :)
I haven’t looked at Lemmy’s implementation of upvotes/downvotes, but they should be ActivityPub activities, so it means they should appear by making a request to the user’s actor.
EDIT: I’ve just checked random users outbox (that’s the ActivityPub name for the list of activities), included mine, they are actually just empty. So that probably means that Lemmy is only publishing the upvotes/downvotes when pushing activities to federated servers, which would make those activities way more private, although not completely : someone could setup their own instance to learn about them, and it’s best to be assume that at some point, someone will start such instance and publish an app revealing all votes for everybody (plus, as others mentioned, Kbin is already doing it).
This. Nothing is more difficult than understanding someone’s else code and architecture, and even if you manage that, you’re now stucked with the choices somebody else made and nobody wants that (we want to make our terrible choices!).
More than a final app, the best thing to publish as FOSS is libraries extracted from it to help other developers build there own products faster. That’s something other may want to maintain when we abandon it. And on top of that, it still help to publish your app using this lib to serve as practical example about how to use your it, of course.