I’m not mistaking you for someone else, I mean to say that the opinion you expressed is one I would have agreed with yesterday. I believe you misunderstood what the point of disagreement was.

When they express their desire to not talk about something, it’s good advice to try to understand what they actually meant, not start a discussion about what the word means from your perspective.

Well that’s not true. If someone says “Don’t talk to me about them F*****s, I hate them”, then the correct thing to do is say “gay people deserve to exist, you homophobe”. It’s always correct to counter someone when they spread a harmful message, with or without their consent. Because spreading harmful messages must be considered implicit consent to be challenged on them. You can’t have a functioning society otherwise.

People even don’t have to agree with your definition of politics

Yes they do. Trans people will be hurt if they don’t. Their definition of politics is propaganda created by transphobes, which benefits transphobes. That’s why it’s important. That’s why the speech is harmful.

Well no, that would be an appeal to nature fallacy. You’re making the argument that I should accept the world as it is, simply because it is. Most people think the word works that way, therefore it should. That’s a nonsense argument. The world isn’t perfect, and people shouldn’t define words that way.

You know, 30 years ago, the word “man” was defined as “someone with a penis” by 90% of the population. It was trans activists who changed the defintion. Your logical fallacy is the exact same one that opposed the progress of trans rights back then.

I agree with you, and I agreed with you yesterday when I was banned. That wasn’t the argument.

English default on the internet is male for strangers.

So you misgender every transfemme stranger you meet as a matter of personal policy? Your defence for misgendering me is that you do it to every trans girl and enby? And Ada is defending you?

That’s not the whole truth either. I said that voluntarily isolating yourself from all social interaction would be understandable if you had ASPD, but my thesis was that you do not have ASPD, you do not voluntarily isolate yourself from social interaction, and you love politics.

Yes, the world is very antagonistic. It wants me dead. It’s full of fascists who hate trans people and eat the flesh of slaves. It’s an awful place.

I’m not going to modify my demeanor to match the patriarchal ideal of nonbinary submissiveness. Because what the patriarchy ultimately wants from nonbinary people is our deaths. Every breath I take is an act of feminist defiance, and I’m not interested in compromise on this issue.

I wasn’t hostile in the original thread, the patriarchy just thinks that nonbinary people having emotions and opinions is aggressive behaviour. It’s plain old sexism distorting people’s perceptions. I’m not going to be a shy, polite, demure little enby for any patriarch’s benefit, and they hate that.

Its only political if you make it political.

You mean in the sense that politics is a social construct and we all have a say in its definition? Yes. But the alternative to defining everything as political is defining some things as apolitical. And that’s a dangerous worldview. I’m not interested in saying or permitting dangerous speech.

I agree that we need to close the door on that torrent of hate. And when Abigail said she hated politics, she opened that door. I want it closed again. I want us to stop engaging in dangerous speech that legitimises hate.

I get it, you’re incapable of understanding that someone with different views than your own exists. Your world is small and you control the rules. Anything which contradicts your worldview doesn’t exist and must be some trick or deception.

Agreeing and doing what needs to be done without discussing anything or appointing leaders is politics! When everyone goes on r/awww and looks at pictures of cute kitty cats, they engage in the collective exercise of making a decision that the cat is cute. Why do people like agreeing that an animal is cute? Because humans are a social species, humans are designed for politics, and agreeing a cat is cute is a low-stress way for people to do the politics they were born to do. It’s play politics. Politics is in everything, we love politics and we always want to do it. Politics is everything. So you’re right that controversies are political, but only because everything is political.

You’ve misunderstood. The new account I made for a fresh start is u/PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES. I made this account to continue discussing the issue because I think Ada’s transphobia deserves attention. A lot of people pressure victims of abuse to stay silent, but I don’t believe in doing that.

Everything is political because that’s the definition of the word politics. Defining the status quo as apolitical is propaganda, and not everyone wants to deal with you spewing propaganda all over the place. Especially when it’s the same propaganda used by transphobes and repeating it will benefit transphobes.

Also I’m allergic to grass. I get all itchy. And if it’s been freshly mowed, I get a horrible runny nose. Maybe try a non-ableist way of phrasing things next time? There’s also sunlight allergies, agoraphobia, mobility issues, and executive function disorders like autism, anxiety, and depression that can make it hard to touch grass.

I accept the existence of the fact that some people believe politics means controversy. But I don’t accept the morality, justice, or rightness of that fact. It’s a bad thing that people believe politics means controversy. It should be challenged. Nothing good can come of agreeing with the propaganda of transphobes.

Your link says politics is “the total complex of relations between people living in society”. That includes asking somebody to go for a walk.

I’m not a guy, I’m VERY openly nonbinary. FFS, my previous username was PM_ME_FAT_ENBIES and I told anyone who asked about it that I’m gay. I also didn’t call you or anyone else autistic at any point. Jeepers creepers, no wonder I got a transphobic vibe from you, you misgender anyone you disagree with. Is this your usual response to being called transphobic? Just confirming it out in the open?

That’s not what the issue is. Nobody minds that anyone dislikes controversy. The issue is people being untruthful about what politics is.

And as I said in that thread, you can’t simultaneously hold the views that discourse should be opt-in, and that spreading transphobia isn’t discourse. Nobody has the right to hate speech in a public forum without being challenged on it. And what Abigail said isn’t hate speech, but it is speech that will harm trans people. And Abigail’s repeated misgendering of me when I am very openly nonbinary certainly paints their refusal to change their language in a much harsher light

…what if I just don’t like seeing news that only makes me feel angry or bad on my feed.

That’s not the meaning of the word politics. Politics means group decision making. Every group is constantly making decisions, like “Where should we eat? Did we enjoy that movie? Isn’t this animal cute? How are we going to deliver the client’s product in two weeks?” Those are politics, and they are also the bread and butter of human socialisation. This other thing you’re talking about, bad news, that’s not what politics is. Sure, bad news is political, but that’s because everything is political.

The belief that bad news and politics are the same thing has been used to justify transphobia, sexism, and racism. Because the belief leads people to hate politics, and that means any bad actor can (correctly) call something they don’t like political and stoke hatred. Trans people are political because everything is political. There will always be a way to paint trans people as political because it’s true. So if trans people are political and most people hate politics, then all a bad actor has to do in order to justify hatred of trans people is call us political while being dishonest about what politics means.

That’s why dishonesty and mistruth around the definition of politics causes transphobia. That’s why hating politics is transphobic.