Holy removed! Are you twelve? Did Mommy tell you get off the Internet again?

Lol. Truth hurts, I know!

Where did I say anyone was forcing anyone else to use Mastodon (or Twitter et al?)

I don’t use Mastodon or Twitter, never have… because it’s a platform for people with low attention spans and lacking anything interesting to say or form a complex cogent though and discourages intelligent interaction in favor of quick quips and toxic behavior. Mastodon/Twitter is a cancer on the Internet, end of story.

Pages represent web pages, whereas notes represent “a short written work typically less than a single paragraph in length”. In my opinion, using Page was a mistake on Lemmy’s end. Just like Lemmy won’t support Place objects, I’m not sure if any other platform will ever support Page objects, because Pages are much bigger in scope than anything most Fediverse applications ever deal with.

Using note was the mistake. Limiting communication to short quips, like Twitter does, is a removeding travesty. The fact that people routinely and often make multiple tweets to extend what they want to say proves this point. Twitter/X was the worst thing to happen to communication in the internet age by further reducing the attention span and ability of people to concentrate on longer bodies of writing, thereby making people even dumber.

Twitter/Mastodon should not even be a thing, honestly. They are dumb methods of communication for dumb people. You can always post something shorter in a long form system, but you can’t post something longer in a short form system, without making multiple posts. It’s removeding stupid and always has been. The primary reason for the short form, originally 140 char, was because you could text it in one message. This made a bit of sense… just a tiny bit, as it opened up communication where there previously wasn’t any. But as we moved away from that paradigm of 140 char text messages, the idea of a Twitter became more and more stupid, where today, we have Twitter/Mastodon as the bastion of the idiot regime who can’t think past 280 characters.

GitHub Link isn’t working. How could I theoretically use this for my instance?

What part of what I wrote do you not understand? Because it’s painfully clear you are completely mistaken about how Federation works or what it is. I’ve already explained the differences to you, but you don’t seem to be able to grasp them. So where is the failure of communication here? Which parts are you having trouble with?

Decentralization does not mean that one part of the network can’t go down but the network itself will survive it.

What does this sentence even mean. It’s just word salad and looks like you are throwing out buzzwords you’ve heard somewhere but don’t know what they actually mean contextually.

With a centralized network you literally have one server and if it dies all data is lost.

You just described Lemmy.

The fact that you don’t understand that federation != decentralization is the problem. Just because something is federated does not mean it’s decentralized. Decentralized means all data is stored on all nodes and the loss of any one node does not compromise that data. That’s not Lemmy. If your Lemmy server goes down, significant portions of your data go with it, which proportions vary, but you WILL lose data. That’s not decentralized, but everyone agrees Lemmy is federated, yes? Therefore, federation is not decentralization.

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Federated systems all have a single point it failure, the server. If a server instance disappears a significant portion of your data does as well, especially if it wasn’t federated. User accounts are a good example of this in Lemmy.

Just because a system is federated does not mean it’s decentralized, whereas a decentralized system has no risk of loss of data if a single system goes down. Federation is not that.

You can basically do that with Diaspora

I think a lot of you are confusing Federation with decentralization. They are not the same thing.

Nobody cares man. Why do you think this is the proper forum to air your grievance about a known removedty instance?

Stop visiting that instance. Problem solved.

Why am I going to sell them anything? It’s a self made problem that is instantly fixed by stopping doing what the complaint is about.

It’s like you are going to the doctor and saying “Doc, my hand hurts!” When the doc asks why you say you’ve been hitting your hand with a hammer. He tells you to stop doing that but you say “Good luck with that” instead of “oh right. Yeah that makes sense”

Lol what?

Sh.itjust.works, the 4th biggest instance, is defederated by beehaw, the 7th largest instance.

Should the 2357 monthly active users of Sh.itjust.works just leave to another instance to be able to access Beehaw communities?

Literally yes. That is how it works. If you don’t like the federation policies of any given instance, MOVE. There is no reason to stick around an instance that has removedty policies. Why can’t you understand this?

You can also yourself choose only one community and only see the content once. Then your problem goes away.

I don’t have a problem. You are the one that has a problem with it. I subscribe to one community. My server doesn’t defederate from anyone. I literally have zero problems of the type you are describing. Your problems are self-made. They aren’t a problem with Lemmy, they are a problem with you putting yourself into that situation. It’s the literal translation of the meme with the kid on the bike sticking the branch in his wheel and then blaming the bike when he crashes.

User A on Hexbear doesn’t have to choose, he can only access to lemmy.ml. He posts there. He has no option to choose the other one due to the defederation.

User B on Lemmy.world chooses lemmy.world. He posts there.

I understood what you wrote, but you are still not making any sense. A huser on Hexbear, if he wants to access fediverse@lemmy.world goes to another server that has access to that. There is a choice. If the instance you are signed up at is defederating like idiots (such as Hexbear), then move elsewhere. It’s a simple choice. It’s anything but “Having no options”

How is any of those communities going to die if people keep posting to both?

Exactly. Stop. You are creating the problem you are complaining about. Stop doing that and the problem goes away.

I’m not seeing how to use a difference instance with photon? I don’t use lemmy.ml

Maybe you didn’t understand what I wrote? Stop subscribing to both. Only interact with one. If that’s the one people agree with, the other will die.

There is literally no reason to cross post to both of them. Stop doing that. Stop subscribing to both. Pick one and let the other die. The entire reason there are two is because you keep subscribing and posting to both of them. It will continue to be that way until you be the change you want to see.

If your instance has defederated, maybe it’s time to find a new instance that isn’t a POS? Every user has a choice. You can choose to go to an instance that isn’t reactionary and arbitrary in their defederation policies. The whole point of the Fediverse is so you DO have a choice; that’s the foundation of the entire Fediverse. There are many instances that are federated with both if you are wanting content from both. Just because one instance defederates from another doesn’t somehow now make you beholden to one instance.

The solution is to stop subscribing to one of them. Eventually, if people follow this method, one will die out.

If the content is the same on each one with prime cross posting each time, then you aren’t missing anything anyway

Anyone know of a vBulletin to Lemmy importer? I have a very old forum that dates back 20+ years that’s still active I would like to convert, but it’s not practical and I’m not going to lose that history or force the users to go elsewhere

I, too, preferred KBin to lemmy. I created my communities there and ultimately spun up my own instance. With all the problems, I finally gave up on it and ended up spinning up a lemmy instance. With the Advent of Sync for lemmy, it was the right decision.

Now, using sync, and lemmy tools on the desktop, the lemmy experience is excellent.

I do think KBin has a better user interface and the extra Mastodon integration is awesome, but it’s just too rough to be used as a daily driver unfortunately.