I’ve always felt discord was way too ephemeral and caused a lot of question to be re-asked over and over.

Man this thread has taught me all sorts of things. I will definitely check out UTM. Thanks for that!!

On the cheesegrater(2019 MacPro) it’s a little convoluted. During covid times it was my single box lab since it had so much memory (768TB). So I was running nested ESXI hosts and then VMs under that. I also have a M1 MacBook Pro that I had parallels run ARM VMs (mostly MacOS, Windows, and a couple of Debian installs I think).

I have been looking at VMWare alternatives at work so for the hypervisors I’ve been playing around.

I do this stuff for a living but I also do it home for fun and profit. Ok not so much profit. Ok no profit but definitely for the fun. And because I love large electric bills.

Ok I’ll have to try this. The weird thing is my little test proxmox server is a 2013 trashcan. So this would be like a hackintosh running on Mac hardware. Would that technically be a hackintosh? I’m not really sure. According to the Apple license you can virtualize MacOS if it’s running on Mac hardware. I’m not sure if that requires MacOS as the hypervisor. Regardless this is not something I knew about. Very cool. Thanks for the info.

Well I do but I have a machine with 3/4 of a terabyte of memory on it.

Work scraps are great sometimes.

How are you running the MacOS VMs. The machine I have is a cheese grater so that makes it easier.

Well that’s interesting for sure. But I’m white and not even Indian. I just have a lot of Indian/Hindu friends and wanted to learn more about their culture. I knew the symbol existed for much longer than Nazi’s even though it’s not even really the same symbol. But to a bunch of let’s just say less educated rural Americans it looks exactly the same.

I’ve had to explain to so many people that “No they don’t have Nazi symbols in their yards because of Halloween”. And I’m atheist and not even Hindu.

This is one of the more clever and original dad jokes I’ve seen in a very long time.

I hate Java with the white hot passion of a thousand suns. It is baked into so many admin tools for hardware (Dell, Cisco, etc) and trying to connect to older hardware that requires a security model that isn’t supported anymore or has expired certs that are never getting updated is a giant pain in the ass. Run anywhere my ass. I have to keep special VMs with just the right version of Java and all the necessary tweaks (like having to tell it that certain older encryption methods are ok) to even access some of these tools. I’ve even had to surplus hardware that was perfectly fine accept for the fact I could configure it because of some stupid Java thing. In short removed Java with a rusty wire brush.

I’m not bitter at all 🤣

Where did you get a trashcan from 2103 you time traveler you… I want one.

Oh I get it. I hate to see hardware that could be useful being thrown out. Hence the reason I have stacks of 1TB hard drives with no real use.

I have a long term goal of running my home automation system on that commodore for no other reason than it’s weird. So I get it.

I mean I guess. Just in my opinion a Pentium 2 is too new to be old and too old to be new. Something like 386 or a Coco2, that’s cool.

I deal with a lot of old hardware in my lab but sometimes it’s just too much trouble. But whatever floats your boat. Last thing I’ll be is judgey about what brings you happiness. I mean I’m currently playing with Proxmox on a 2013 Mac Pro because I think it’s fun. And some people (cough …cough… my wife) wonder why 🤣

Is nobody gonna ask?!? Why do you have a pentium 2? I like old hardware as much or more than the next guy but man that’s old. And this from a guy who has a working Commodore 64 🤣

My main issue was it doesn’t play well with Macs.

So in another 115 years they’ll be the same agar?

I’d love a dream router … if they were ever in stock. Instead they all end on eBay for $100 more than retail. Wonder why that is? (removeding scalpers)

Yeah I guess it was kinda fun. Especially for nerds like us. Getting x-forwarding to work over a 14.4 modem was pretty awesome, albeit painfully slow, at the time.

Yeah, 2 hour kernel recompiles to get a sound card to half work were not fun.

Yeah totally go with Ventoy. I had an external device that basically did the same thing but it was a pain in the ass. Little screen and you pick an iso on the drive and it simulated a CD rom. Ventoy is so much simpler. My only complaint is there isn’t an installer that works on a Mac so I have to use Windows. But other than that it’s awesome.