What you think and what is the reality to casual users are two different things

Only the installation is harder for Arch, EndeavorOS is easier to use then Mint, and installation is same thanks to the gui installer.

The difference between Arch with archinstall vs Endeavor is still the ease of installation.

Not exactly the hassle free experience op is looking for

EndeavorOs, just works, like Mint, but Arch Based so much better

EndeavorOs, imagine arch, but as easy to install as Ubuntu, but everything just works

Manjaro has also died on me in the past, because they removed with the packages, EndeavorOs is rock solid and you will thank yourself when you can install stuff like spotify, discord, teamspeak with a single yay command

Do the best of both worlds and get EndeavorOs, easy setup, easy install of nvidia drivers, based on Arch

Imagine putting Manjaro in the article instead of EndeavorOs

I think you will find that the biggest reason to use a language is to get paid for it and there Java is very well positioned

I am not writing it off, I am saying it has no competition in the browser… therefore irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

and btw, even in the link https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2023/4 Javascript is not first, Python is, over Java.

but once again, you would actually have to look for the backed JS applications, you are not choosing java over JS for the web, at best you would choose JSF and that still uses javascript.

But like, what kind of error are you gonna handle that’s coming from the DB, if it’s something like a connection error because the DB is down, then you are removed out of luck you can’t handle that anyway, and you probably shouldn’t, not from the layer you are calling your DB from, that’s a higher level logic, so bubbling Errors there make sense.

and if it’s an “error” like findById doesn’t always return something, that’s what the Optional pattern is for.

what you have described to me seems like a worse version of the checked/unchecked exception system.

obviously I wasn’t counting JS because by sheer volume, HTML+CSS+JS will outnumber everything because it’s the only combo for the browser.

but if you restrict it as JS for Backend, then obviously it’s not even close to Java.

Js is not a real language and can’t hurt you

I like this, I will contribute to this, I think a lot of Java haters in this thread fail to realize just how massive Java is compared to everything else.

Rust might be the latest, hottest, bestest Java killer out there and it might be a completely superior language to Java, doesn’t matter, it’s dwarfed in terms of how many people actually use it for real projects, projects that should run for years and years. Even if Rust is the true Java killer, it’s gonna take a good few more years for it to kill java, measured in decades, there is just way too many projects and critical stuff out there that is running on Java, that means lots of jobs out there for java, still and still more.

This means there are a lot of senior Java programmers out there with lots of years of experience to contribute to this project.

Plus Lemmy itself having alternatives and choices is just a good thing.

Java is for enterprise level software that’s robust not for self hosting on a pi

I have a similar experience, in that anytime I heard someone hating on the verbosity of Java it was never the good devs the ones who can write a code that’s readable a few months later.

That’s a kinda terrible way to do it compared to letting it bubble up to the global error handler.

You can also use optional in java if you want a similar pattern but that only makes sense for stuff where it’s not guaranteed that you get back the data you want such as db or web fetch

Java is a corporate language that most devs hate

Citation required, because strangely enough people whom I hear about complaining about Java never seem to be the good developers but the ones I wouldn’t hire

Every year since Java existed

That’s not the whole story, most of the Java code that exists is proprietary, java is undoubtedly #1