cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/12225991
TL;DR: The common view on Meta’s Threads is that it will be either all good or all bad, leading to oversimplified and at the end contra productive propositions like the Fedipact. But in reality, it’s behaviour will most likely change dynamically over time, and therefore, to prevent us getting in a position, in which Threads can actually perform EEE on us, we need to adapt a dynamic strategy as well.
“but with its currently starting commercialization”
Wait. The fediverse is going commercial?
I mean, that was a leap ahead, but there are currently a few companies directing towards the fediverse: Meta, Wordpress, Medium, Mozilla, Flipchart. Also look at the most recent The Verge arcticles about the fediverse, they are also pushing the point that the social web will be a growing market in 2024 (https://www.theverge.com/23990974/social-media-2023-fediverse-mastodon-threads-activitypub).
You could say that this is all hype, but I think its clear the “hobby phase” of the Fediverse is beginning to end and a new phase starts. At the latest when Threads federates with Mastodon.
They will take everything and removed on it.
What’s the point in being here if the corporations are coming here?
We’ll probably have to move to a new internet. Dibs on calling it the “Freediverse”.
Before, in the olden times, the internet was just a bunch of random websites and forums and IRC AND USEnet.
Now it’s, “Where SHOULD I GO to be seen others and be validated?!?!”
I sound old. And I am. But,
Do you people want others on fedi or not? Jesus Christ.
Devs: make thing
Others: use thing
You: stop it!
I just thought the fediverse was going to be free of corporate/advertising/tracking removed-show.
If it isn’t going to be free of corporate bullremoved why be here instead of Instagram or Twitter or Facebook?
What is the difference? None.
I used to care. But now? I don’t care where people go on the internet. Why be invested in fediverse if the fediverse is just another FaceBook?
For me its not about corporate/non-corporate. I think it would already hugely improve the situation if social networking wouldn’t be controlled by one monopoly.
It’s the same with E-Mail and RSS. It’s working fine because there is no monopoly.
No but there are basically two ways things can go:
- The Fediverse stays tiny. It will probably be non-commercial, such a tiny userbase isn’t attractive to for-profit companies.
- It blows up, getting big. This makes Meta really the smallest problem, as the bigger thing to worry about will be the sheer amount of corporations setting up activity-pub based applications and commercializing as much of the system as possible.
People wanted the Fediverse to get more popular. So more popular it gets, more big companies and an like will join the Fediverse. So mission accomplished, everyone. 🥳
Defederation still a thing? What happened I thought it was going save the Fediverse from this stuff.
My argument was that monetary compensation of some form would drive participation, and that participation could take the form of simple things like ads all the way to developers coding lemmy instances to accept ads and other preferred features desired by corporations like user tracking, algorithms to place preferred posts, communities and/or users at the top of views, etc… Make the software free and give instance operators a cut of any revenue, and bam, EEE wins. Way too easy, the burden of running the instances falls on the operator and with some nice EULA wording, probably the liability as well.
Of course, that hypothetical scenario hinges on corporations finding the lemmyverse worthwhile to exploit, which hopefully won’t happen.
The proper strategy is not to play the corpo game. Mass commercialization and corporate entities pushing to monopolize is the root cause of the problems that we have with the www. The only way to “win” is to exclude these known bad actors and prevent them from reshaping this place into another cesspit filled with ads and more coordinated efforts to subvert free societies.
Those E’s are backwards!
Its a play on embrace, extend and extinguish (EEE) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
I see, is it backwards?
“abusive instance” that is not in production, thanks for jumping to conclusions and gatekeeping the Fed to just a bunch of nerds, that’s definitely what we need here.
threads already has users and some of them are hate groups so… it’s a justified characterization.
There are numerous pedo instances using Lemmy, what’s your point buddy ?
And what we do with those instances? We defederate / block them.
Why are you here and what do you like about it?
I believe in Lemmy getting more mainstream appeal and completely replacing Reddit. That kind of take is ruining the chances of that happening.
Why not just use Reddit? It is huge, and mainstream?
