Eh, I know a bunch of people who left Lemmy just because they did this, I’m not gonna do something else, but they should also realize people don’t want a Reddit clone and this stuff will make people leave.
People left Reddit to get away from this stuff, try being unique instead of emulating what you left. Like the tired old trope of your very “unique comment” as well…….
Lemmy is not a “they” who did this. Lemmy is the platform on which a user decided to share their canvas idea thing. Anyone who is not interested in this idea can block the person who posted it and any community where they see the same idea again.
I don’t know what Canvas is, but I JUST came to Lemmy because AI bots tagged me 3 times in one month. And I sat there, thinking to myself “Well…now what?”
I thought to myself “There has GOT to be more people affected by this, and by all reddit’s removedty decisions over the past 2 years…”
And then I started thinking “What if there WAS a reddit clone, except with some sort of balance system to ensure mods can’t get TOO powerful, and run the whole site?”
Then I found Lemmy. And, other than userbase size, and demographic, I’m pretty pleased here. If Lemmy.World makes some boneheaded decision, I could just migrate to another instance. From a functionality standpoint, Lemmy is superior to Reddit in everyway…except for the fact that Lemmy is still trying to cater to the Linux audience. Once you GET OVER that learning curve, and once Lemmy catches up with Reddit for not only number of users, but also general audience types, THEN it will truely be better than Reddit.
But I think a good barometer of if you’ve reached that point is, “Does Lemmy have an active community for women to discuss fashion?” and then “Does Lemmy have an active community for kids to talk about how much they love monster trucks?” and then “Does Lemmy have a place for men to talk about every single sports team that’s ever existed?”
If Lemmy is going to grow, you CANNOT cator to certain groups of people, and ignore any critisism about how hard it is to use. Because the people who don’t want to learn, will just not bother. They’ll ask “well why should I use this, and not reddit?”
Because whatever you are most passionate about, whether it’s the independantly owned instances, whether it’s the interconnectivity with mastadon, and every other service, whehter it’s the customizable apps others develop, or maybe you develop…with all that, you have to remember one thing. YOU care about that. The majority of people do not give a removed. They just want an easy place to talk about shoes, and monster trucks, and sports.
Now you can say “But you can CREATE any of those communities on any instance.” And that’s true. You can…but THEY won’t. They want fast, free, easy, and active. You have to design everything around the idiot…because the idiots are everywhere. Linux has the same issues, but that’s another topic for another day that’s been said repeatedly for 20+ years and hasn’t changed.
Question is, do you want to be like Linux, or do you want to be like Reddit? I don’t care what your interests are. You can find already active communities for it on Reddit. Can someone else find whatever they’re interested in on Lemmy?
Me, some of my interests are here. Not all. I want to help this platform grow, and they will come. In the meantime, the developers need to decide if they want a niche platform that cators to their kind, or if they want to grow and cator to EVERYONE with all interests.
I personally enjoy knowing that the communities I’m a part of are decentralised and don’t exist to show me ads. I also like being able to use an open source app to access them.
This is why I don’t like Reddit and wouldn’t call this a clone.
Honestly I think an emulation would be a better analogy.
I get what you’re saying; Lemmy is not Reddit, Lemmy is Lemmy.
However, I think that this mostly misses the point. The issue is not to copy neutral-to-positive features from Reddit; it’s to copy the negatives, or to fail to implement other positives.
I mean why? Like there are things I think might be neat that is only really fediverse capable (like the idea of the everything app, by accessing the same data but through the users preferred UIs rather than reposts of screen shots or opaque links), but if someone sees an idea they like, why not run with that too?
We don’t have to use luckly (its was n3ver my cup of chai).
I’ve thought about this before, if every website had a data section with the raw data and a UI section that was capable of being swapped out. Like some sort of composable setup. I think it’s a really promising idea and I even think a prototype wouldn’t be too difficult to build. Although I do think that the context of where a post was made is important, and is carried intrinsically with the data in a screenshot.
In a way it’s like the concept of files and programs from the desktop world. Each type of content would have an agreed-upon structure and meaning, but is capable of being opened in different “apps” to view, edit, etc. In fact, you could literally implement it that way, which also allows you to do weird stuff like download content and save it on your own computer.
Why doesn’t Lemmy find something else than copying what Reddit did?
Feel free to get started on it
Eh, I know a bunch of people who left Lemmy just because they did this, I’m not gonna do something else, but they should also realize people don’t want a Reddit clone and this stuff will make people leave.
People left Reddit to get away from this stuff, try being unique instead of emulating what you left. Like the tired old trope of your very “unique comment” as well…….
Lemmy is not a “they” who did this. Lemmy is the platform on which a user decided to share their canvas idea thing. Anyone who is not interested in this idea can block the person who posted it and any community where they see the same idea again.
I don’t know what Canvas is, but I JUST came to Lemmy because AI bots tagged me 3 times in one month. And I sat there, thinking to myself “Well…now what?”
I thought to myself “There has GOT to be more people affected by this, and by all reddit’s removedty decisions over the past 2 years…”
And then I started thinking “What if there WAS a reddit clone, except with some sort of balance system to ensure mods can’t get TOO powerful, and run the whole site?”
Then I found Lemmy. And, other than userbase size, and demographic, I’m pretty pleased here. If Lemmy.World makes some boneheaded decision, I could just migrate to another instance. From a functionality standpoint, Lemmy is superior to Reddit in everyway…except for the fact that Lemmy is still trying to cater to the Linux audience. Once you GET OVER that learning curve, and once Lemmy catches up with Reddit for not only number of users, but also general audience types, THEN it will truely be better than Reddit.
But I think a good barometer of if you’ve reached that point is, “Does Lemmy have an active community for women to discuss fashion?” and then “Does Lemmy have an active community for kids to talk about how much they love monster trucks?” and then “Does Lemmy have a place for men to talk about every single sports team that’s ever existed?”
If Lemmy is going to grow, you CANNOT cator to certain groups of people, and ignore any critisism about how hard it is to use. Because the people who don’t want to learn, will just not bother. They’ll ask “well why should I use this, and not reddit?”
Because whatever you are most passionate about, whether it’s the independantly owned instances, whether it’s the interconnectivity with mastadon, and every other service, whehter it’s the customizable apps others develop, or maybe you develop…with all that, you have to remember one thing. YOU care about that. The majority of people do not give a removed. They just want an easy place to talk about shoes, and monster trucks, and sports.
Now you can say “But you can CREATE any of those communities on any instance.” And that’s true. You can…but THEY won’t. They want fast, free, easy, and active. You have to design everything around the idiot…because the idiots are everywhere. Linux has the same issues, but that’s another topic for another day that’s been said repeatedly for 20+ years and hasn’t changed.
Question is, do you want to be like Linux, or do you want to be like Reddit? I don’t care what your interests are. You can find already active communities for it on Reddit. Can someone else find whatever they’re interested in on Lemmy?
Me, some of my interests are here. Not all. I want to help this platform grow, and they will come. In the meantime, the developers need to decide if they want a niche platform that cators to their kind, or if they want to grow and cator to EVERYONE with all interests.
Very well said.
If people don’t want a Reddit clone they’ve come to the wrong place
I personally enjoy knowing that the communities I’m a part of are decentralised and don’t exist to show me ads. I also like being able to use an open source app to access them.
This is why I don’t like Reddit and wouldn’t call this a clone.
Honestly I think an emulation would be a better analogy.
how would you describe lemmy? an original work? get the removed over it dude
I’m fine with copying the fun parts of Reddit.
Reddit was just a place who hosted that event. Lemmy is just another place.
Hey, thank you for the !gardening@lemmy.world posts!
I get what you’re saying; Lemmy is not Reddit, Lemmy is Lemmy.
However, I think that this mostly misses the point. The issue is not to copy neutral-to-positive features from Reddit; it’s to copy the negatives, or to fail to implement other positives.
I mean why? Like there are things I think might be neat that is only really fediverse capable (like the idea of the everything app, by accessing the same data but through the users preferred UIs rather than reposts of screen shots or opaque links), but if someone sees an idea they like, why not run with that too?
We don’t have to use luckly (its was n3ver my cup of chai).
I’ve thought about this before, if every website had a data section with the raw data and a UI section that was capable of being swapped out. Like some sort of composable setup. I think it’s a really promising idea and I even think a prototype wouldn’t be too difficult to build. Although I do think that the context of where a post was made is important, and is carried intrinsically with the data in a screenshot.
I agree there too. I think the idea of different contexts would have to evolve to make sense where now the silos act as their own windows.
In a way it’s like the concept of files and programs from the desktop world. Each type of content would have an agreed-upon structure and meaning, but is capable of being opened in different “apps” to view, edit, etc. In fact, you could literally implement it that way, which also allows you to do weird stuff like download content and save it on your own computer.