I’m helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because “Linux can’t play games” despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.
2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can’t even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.
Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.
Can’t tell if this is a shitpost or not
There’s more linux circlejerk or “windows bad” posts in this community than actual useful ones.
Of all the circlejerks this one is really silly though. You can complain about so many removeding things about Windows but Windows 11 is really damn easy to install and setup and I’m pretty sure you can do it in 30 mins.
The OP’s whining about Linux playing all the games feels like bait to me. Linux just doesn’t run every game that Windows does and it’s not about how graphically intense it is.
Some linux distros are also damn easy to install, easier than windows just try for yourself
It is no competition on whether linux is easier to install when you can run it off a removeding flash drive.
That doesn’t make Windows 11 hard though.
Even for a Windows user Windows 11 is kind of extra. Install is simple as 10 was, but the nice ends there. First thing you notice is all icons are just gone. No recycle bin, the start button isn’t. I only even know because my wife got a couple of laptops from her grandfather. She wanted one just reset. 11 is what she got. I hate it. The other laptop is now purring on Ubuntu. I like it. It’s not what I’m used to, but I have Blender on it and a slicer. I was hoping that Linux music production might be a thing, but nah. So, I also still have to keep my Windows 10 desktop alive, because that’s where my no longer supported Reason 10 lives.
I’ve done so many windows 11 installs and always had the recycle bin. I really don’t see the hate for Windows 11 other than the account login removed but most people I know still use Geforce experience and that requires a login.
@Pat_Riot @linux @Tak Some of these might be useful:
https://www.tecmint.com/free-music-creation-or-audio-editing-softwares-for-linux/Thanks, that does give me a bit more to check out. I have Ardour and Muse, neither works without more dabbling than I have been in the mood for. Renoise looks interesting, I may try it next. I know I’m just spoiled, but I’m just not interested in trying to speed run the growing pains. I’m fine with baby steps. I sincerely appreciate the link. I bookmarked it for later delving.
Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
Also Linux users on Lemmy: Anyone else is unable to install windows from scratch?
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Linux users on Lemmy: People who don’t run Linux are just bad with computers and shouldn’t be using a computer at all!
I remember being part of these exact same conversations on other message boards at least 15 years ago.
We’re all going around in circles here as history repeats itself.
Me neither. Linux is my main Operating System but… We can’t generalize one Windows experience just like we can’t generalize one Linux experience.
It’s a lot easier to do the former than the latter. Windows fixes a lot of things about the experience, but maybe not the exact flavoring / theming.
Linux you can’t say anything about the experience besides sweeping generalizations by distro.
I agree with this. I use Linux exclusively at home, but for work I have a windows laptop. It’s really not that bad. I for sure don’t like it as much, but it isn’t atrocious.
It has to be, windows makes it super easy to install so they can get your data faster.
Jokes on them. I
I have found windows is easier to install every time. This is just another windows bad linux good post. Windows has so many issues, but installation is not one of them. Even my 10 year old cousin installs it fine.
OP:
I run Arch btw
In my experience, installation of Win or Lin has been pretty easy. Lin has less options to opt out of (I like) than windows, but windows set everything up just fine. The only time I ever had issues on either is if I try to install without an active ether net connected. If I don’t have the os update during install, I run into random driver issues on either os.
Yeah, I genuinely do not understand having used Windows, Linux, and MacOS. They are making it sound like it’s trying to decipher some unknown language. Even a quick YouTube would have solved how to install a exe.
Windows bad, upvotes to the left
@SloganLessons @PeterPoopshit
Yeah, but by then the “good” version will be available - Windows 12.Alternatively, if your needs could be met by another os e.g. Linux or MacOS then why not migrate to them?
Windows 12 will be a massive hit, just like google stadia.
I cant tell if people in this thread are trolls, ultra elite linux shills, or just people incapable of following simple instructions…
Like I get it, windows bad or w/e… But to act like it takes longer than an hour or two to install it, let alone 2 whole removeding days is just asinine.
Imagine having enough of a skill issue that it takes you 2 days to install Windows OS. The OS that idiot proofs itself by literally holding your hand on every option and walks you through itself to install.
Im not even joking, I re-install and have installed windows the past few years multiple times on personal devices for myself and my family and friends and even do it for professional devices and servers for my job. It is brain dead easy, enough that my tech illiterate grandparents managed to re-install it before I could make the drive to meet them and do it for them… I can’t take this OP or anyone else seriously if they can manage to install a linux based OS but somehow have 2 days worth of trouble with Windows OS…
I was going to say… If it takes you literally 1.5 days to simply install and after 2 days you can’t even launch Steam? I’m sorry, but you have extraordinarily removeded up. Whatever the removed is happening there is not on Windows. OP, I would love to understand what you were seeing or what was happening. And I also wonder if you are using an actual Windows OS image, or what you tinkered with or ran scripts on to maybe “clean Windows up”. Unfortunately so many of those scripts are also removeding notorious for breaking some Windows functionality, like the Xbox games and what not.
Don’t get me wrong. Windows is becoming worse and worse in both features and performance (AI powered file recommendations in my start menu? get the removed outta here). But I’m sorry, this complaint in the OP is not it.
I’m sympathetic to a Windows install taking days (I’ve been there), but you’re right that it’s not Windows’ fault. It’s always some 10 year-old hardware with dodgy or no-longer-supported drivers. Maybe you could make an argument that it’s partly Windows’ fault because they push driver support onto the hardware vendors, rather than use Linux’ model of having the kernel developers maintain them.
That’s fair. I guess when they mentioned they were building a PC I assumed it was relatively recent hardware. But I’ve been there when you can’t get or find drivers, or Windows tells you the old drivers aren’t compatible with newer OS’ and things like that.
OP is just wanting to removed on Windows because this is a Linux community.
100%
Lot of problems with the directions windows has gone or is going (cortana finally gone), but people need to chill if they think the OS is unusable or something.
Anecdotally I’m hoping SteamOS continues to progress how it has so there are even more reasons to not depend on Windows.
Yo I forgot about SteamOS! I need to check in on that, thanks for reminding me!
Yes. I have done so many installs of Windows 10 LTSC in the last few years and even on HDD it doesn’t take that much time.
This is a legit troll post. Despite Linux being better in some aspects, Windows totally steamrolls Linux on being easy to install.
Heck W10 LTSC has been super smooth and stable for me for the past 2 years on my work machine which I tend to use more than my Personal Laptop which runs Manjaro.
ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.
Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.
Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.
@Coreidan @PeterPoopremoved ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.
Sounds like you have never installed linux
I have installed many Linux distributions. What is your point?
If you’re trying to convince me that windows is more complicated to install then it’s pretty clear you’ve never installed windows.
At this point in the game neither Linux or windows requires more then a few mouse clicks to install their OS.
If you’re having trouble with either then you’re doing something very very wrong or using wrong/bad hardware.
Well… Not Arch
Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.
Yes, it’s part of my job, it’s super easy, barely an inconvenience.
It was a few clicks and leaving my laptop AFK to install. The only semi inconvenient part was finding a way around not using a Microsoft account. Other than that, it’s about as brainless of an installer as it gets. My dog could do it with direction from me.
It takes like 15 minutes to go from bare metal to login. I built my own PC in March and installed Windows from scratch from a USB drive.
@winterayars @Coreidan yep did it the other day just spam no and your done in 10 mins. obvs Linux is easier than that these days but op is overreacting or stupid
ROFL, I like Linux, but if you can’t install windows 11 easily. The problem isn’t win11…
I’m a daily Linux user and I despise windows, but I have a hard time believing this bullremoved. I know it’s fun to removed on windows, but either you did something crazy wrong or you’re just ranting about something on windows that doesn’t actually exist.
I have a hard time believing you are a daily linux user
Windows has it’s serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.
Compared to same linux distros, it is.
Nice bait I guess. Windows may have bad things, but I have no idea what you’re talking about here
Sounds like a skill issue on your behalf.
it feels like i’m still in /g/ with these types of posts
you went on a tirade about “windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best” without giving us any relevant information to help you with your “issue”, other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should’ve told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.
also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows “just works”. it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it’s that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you’re removeding up
This has got to be bait from that user. The third screen is like the keyboard screen. What the heck are they even talking about. 36 hours to still be in the first three screens.
I want to preface this with noting that I 99% agree with you on this, but to be fair Windows “just works” right up until it doesn’t.
What got me off Windows was how frequently all the UWP-powered system apps (like Screenshot Tool, Calculator, etc.) and even core stuff like Explorer would just have some key functionality just break randomly.
Not implying that programs on Linux don’t also just randomly removed themselves, but to pretend that Windows just works is a bit silly.
Definitely a skill issue at play here.
Yeah their K/D must be terrible in windows.
I don’t think “skill” is the right word here. It’s more of a basic competence issue.
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These “Windows bad” posts are the worst thing in the Linux community. I run Windows on my desktop because Games are just far easier and usually run better, and Windows works perfectly fine.
Games just run on my Linux laptop these days. I stopped checking winehq a long time ago.
ProtonDB is the first place I go before buying a game, most of the time games work, but there’s a few occasions where I have to change some configurations.
I used to do that too, but I don’t bother anymore. It just works.
Yep, most games run fine. But I do still have to check if the anti-cheat supports Linux.
indeed. Anticheats are the last holdouts.
I don’t have any issues with performance, just with anticheat not being compatible with my most played games.
So does linux
Sounds like the problem was between the keyboard and chair.
Exactly. Layer 8 problem.
Ooh, gonna add that to my phrasebook
What’s a Layer 8
You’ll sometimes hear IT people use “Layer 8 problem” which is a reference to the OSI networking model. The model has 7 layers. It starts at layer-1, the physical layer (the literal wires that the signals flow through), and ends with layer-7, the application later (things like http, ftp, etc.).
“Layer-8” isn’t technically part of the OSI model, but unofficially it refers to the human layer, or the user. When IT people are troubleshooting an issue, trying to identify where in the model the issue is happening, “layer-8” is a tongue-in-cheek way of saying “there isn’t an actual problem… the person is the problem”.
Another good one is the “ID10T” error (read as “I-D-ten-T”), which looks a lot like “IDIOT” when written down. It means the same thing.
Bruh if you can’t figure out Windows then just give up.
How the removed does anybody have trouble running Windows these days?
Some OEM’s really removed up Windows, leaving it in a practically unusable state almost out of the box with the amount of removedware that’s on there.
Additionally, for Windows, some hardware vendors do a poor job of ensuring working drivers get installed by default. Sometimes the wrong, but similar driver gets installed by Windows on a fresh install and it can really bork things up. The same can happen on Linux, but it’s easier to ignore a faulty driver at boot time with Grub and make sure the right one gets loaded. And truthfully I haven’t had to do that since like 2005.
OP said this was a home build. Should be dead simple with a clean install.
Should be, but in the past I’ve seen Windows update, misidentify hardware and try to install the incorrect driver for it (last time I saw it was with a graphics card too). That could certainly cause some issues.
AtlasOS is your solution
Well, no. A fresh Linux install is my solution.
Lol come on dude it’s not that hard.
