Yes installing windows is about as difficult as building a pc. Building computers is not hard unless you refuse to use a part picker site or a prebuilt parts list. Even then, the dude at micro center will pick your parts for you.

Building a pc is just pushing parts in and plugging cables in, not rocket science. Video guides are a thing.

There are linux distros with installers that are windows style, and have a display manager that mimics it as well. Would that count as building on top of existing knowledge? I actually never used something like Mint but if people are putting it on their grandparents computers without issue there gotta be something there.

Convert from apple to another music product and then automate that?

Okay but if I told you Linux was as easy as watching a YouTube video showing how to hang dry wall, then you might rightfully say “this isnt so bad”.

They are comparing the level of knowledge required to do them.

Well switching from meat to meat obviously will do nothing. In fact smaller animals like birds means more death per person. But that aside, I was talking about rating meat vs not. And when I mentioned most would at least be happy with no commercial farming that meant for all animals.

Its a much different conversation when someone is hunting for their family vs whatever you want to call this meat-is-candy world we live in now. Meat should be considered a delicacy, and rarely eaten, and it should be priced appropriately for what it is. Meat and dairy wouldnt be profitable without subsidies in the first place, which is another way of saying failed business.

They go hand in hand, the meat industry is so polluting because of the commercial scale which is also why its so inhumane.

I think many would settle for just a much smaller meat industry. Maybe a more careful one.

The use predates the creation of it. There had already been a use for it the moment it was made. It has never once been considered a waste product except in the style of argument you are making right now.

Its not my fault you choose to interpret my words that way. All I’m doing is referring back to the unsettled part.

You say you only listen to science, then when people bring you science you say its the wrong kind of science, but never get specific. Sort of how you cherry pick half sentences of mine and make stupid jokes about them.

Is the goal here to just defend your position to th3 bitter end? You aren’t even in the main group vegans would take issue with, yet you act like you are their spokesman.

Honestly, if you are just going to reply in bad faith and hyperbole just dont bother. The only reason I replied to you here is because I thought you could carry on a discussion, but apparently thats the crux of the whole matter on this site isnt it.

Its about encouraging people to make better decisions, thats what the whole point of this type of research is. Its to entice people to head in that direction and see if we are right or not, because continuing the path we have been on is diasterous at best.

It shouldnt be so hard to see the goal of this type of graphic is to stoke conversation not to force everyone into a specific viewpoint. 50 years from now veganism might be considered abusive.

Its important to move forward, because doing nothing is moving backwards. There is no such this as neutral.

Byproduct does not equal waste product. Plastic is a byproduct, so is gasoline. Your conflating the ideas.

They still haven’t figured out a way to humanely slaughter animals let alone keep them in fulfilling environments that would be impossible to tell from their wild counterparts.

We can’t afford to let animals live full lives. Pigs are butchered at 6 months but can live decades naturally.

We haven’t even begun to approach the conversation of maybe possibly being able to in the maybe distant future being able to consider a humane way to keep animals and then also harvest meat from them when they pass.

Do you often feel attacked by vegans? What exactly is vegan propaganda? Everyone uses studies on both sides, that’s how unsettled science works. Are most of them wrong? Of course, because again its not settled.

Seems convenient to discount the other viewpoints studies as propaganda when the opposing side is funded just as precariously.

I think things would be markedly better with eating only fish and eggs, although I think the fishing is out of hand already, and egg chickens can be kept in just as horrible of conditions as meat chickens.

How so?