• burtek@programming.dev
    64·
    1 year ago

    I think it just auto-discovers federated instances and randomly shows them on the page unless explicitly disabled…

      • superkret@lemmy.ml
        389·
        1 year ago

        The only ones who have to be concerned about the looks are the instance admins.
        Lemmy isn’t a product in need of marketing.

        • Mario_Dies.wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          213·
          1 year ago

          You’re right, but this is the sort of thing that gets blown up by the media and used to shut down privacy-friendly platforms.

          Maybe it’s a slippery slope fallacy on my part, but it’s not unimaginable to consider the idea that legislators could try to take down an enitre platform based on something like this. Just look at some of the proposed privacy-antagonistic legislation that’s been introduced recently to see what I mean.

        • Spzi@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          1 year ago

          Many Lemmy users wish their niche communities would become more populated. For goals like that, the reputation of the platform is important. I also don’t want to get into defensive debates when revealing to someone that I use Lemmy.

  • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
    55·
    1 year ago

    Seems like the kinda thing that comes down to “because it hasn’t been explicitly told not to yet”. It’s a computer grabbing from an ever changing pool of instances based on parameters, not a person hand picking what they like. Computers aren’t usually aware of social ques or laws…

  • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
    374·
    1 year ago

    I don’t have a link, but the lemmy creators (and maintainers of join-lemmy) answered this in a AMA about a month ago. They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily rather than have them in our instances. The join lemmy list does not serve as an endorsement, but a catalog of all available instances.

    • MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca
      254·
      1 year ago

      Saying it’s not an endorsement is playing semantic games. Join-lemmy.org is a site that promotes Lemmy, and having this instance there is encouraging new users to hop onboard an instance that encourages people to discuss how best to rape children.

    • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
      112·
      1 year ago

      They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily

      Then they need to stop stonewalling and add user controllable instance blocking. I know that some clients have it but they’ve been rejecting calls to add it to the main lemmy codebase for a long time.

      • Cyclohexane@lemmy.ml
        5·
        1 year ago

        I am pretty sure I remember reading in the latest changelog that they just added it? At least on the backend they did. Probably didn’t work out the frontend features for it.

    • jerbid@programming.dev
      71·
      1 year ago

      I think it’s important to add that the answer in that AMA referred to exploding heads (or maybe a different right-wing instance but something like that) and not this one. I’m sure the Lemmy devs would care a lot more about removing links to a pedo instance than a political one

    • dramaticcat@sh.itjust.worksOP
      86·
      1 year ago

      I don’t have a link, but the lemmy creators (and maintainers of join-lemmy) answered this in a AMA about a month ago. They said they’d prefer the horrible people concentrate in their own instances so we can block them easily rather than have them in our instances. The join lemmy list does not serve as an endorsement, but a catalog of all available instances.

      Neither burggit nor comfysnug are shown on the instances page.

    • Bleeping Lobster@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      1 year ago

      Sorry if you’ve had to answer this question too much… where can I find out why these instances have been added to the blocklist? Some of them I recognise from previous incidences where someone has flagged them as problematic & provided evidence but some are confusing. I’m nervous about checking them out, but I clicked on one because it sounded very innocuous.

      lemmy.glasgow.social just appears to be an instance discussing social events in Glasgow, Scotland, with additional focus on hacking / computer science… how come it’s been blocked? In the modlog I can see that they had a bit of a user purge about 3 months ago with no actions taken since then. But there’s never been any deleted comments or posts.

  • jerbid@programming.dev
    17·
    1 year ago

    Jesus Christ the first local post I saw after checking it out was a meme about being a MAP from a user called “Matt Walsh”

    I mean that’s hilarious but also damn it really isn’t a queer/kink instance that’s messed up

  • MataVatnik@lemmy.world
    141·
    1 year ago

    That was an interesting rabbit hole I just went through. There was a post about French postmodern philosophers who defended pedophilia that was posted on that instance as a validation to their cause, meanwhile all the comments under the video are of people recounting their trauma of being sexually assaulted as children.

  • Oka@lemmy.mlEnglish
    13·
    1 year ago

    Thanks to your awareness, its now the most popular listed.

  • FeminalPanda@lemmings.world
    101·
    1 year ago

    Dam, that’s sad. That was the first instance I tried to sign up with but it wouldn’t get past the verified email part. Guess that’s a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

    • dramaticcat@sh.itjust.worksOP
      134·
      1 year ago

      Guess that’s a good thing, I had to look me into it as I thought this post was just another alt right witch hunt for trans people. Maybe a kink instance could be made with hard rules about that stuff. Really a LGBT community with a wiki would be good. I just got on here so maybe something like that already exists.

      If anything, lemmy is making the LGBTQ+ community look bad by promoting this instance, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people pretending to be LGBT over at that instance to make the community look bad.

      • FeminalPanda@lemmings.world
        6·
        1 year ago

        I agree, I hold no ill will to non offenders and hope they get help but the posts on there are not about getting help or coping.

  • Cadenza@lemmy.world
    72·
    1 year ago

    Err, are you sure about your words op? I just looked at their sidebar and it looks pretty clear about that, no?

    Quoting :

    “Nothing illegal under US (specifically Nevada) or local law. You know what that includes. (In case you don’t know what that includes, I mean child pornography [anything that fails the Dost Test], sexually interacting with minors, etc.) We have a zero tolerance policy for anything that fails the Dost test. Anything violating it will result in an immediate ban and removal of images. No admitting to anything that could cause the server to go under investigation, such as looking at child porn.”

    Edit : Well, looks like they don’t enforce this rule indeed.

  • morphballganon@lemmy.world
    536·
    1 year ago

    This is like criticising a knife enthusiasts group because knives could be used to commit crime.

    It’s ok to have a community for kinky people. The fact that certain individuals look at illegal stuff doesn’t mean we should get rid of the instance, nor hide it from people who want to use it.

    • CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml
      29·
      1 year ago

      I do not care if people have a cuckolding, scat or whatever fetish they want, as long as it involves consent of some sort.

      Children cannot consent for sexual acts. Being at the recieving end of such actions irrepeairably scars their mental life forever; and any person who’s ok with this deserves torture before death.

    • BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social
      152·
      1 year ago

      Sure, but if the knife enthusiasts group is also promoting to you a “Slashing Children With Knives Enthusiasts” group, I think it’s worth criticizing.

      And it is absolutely worth hiding from people who want to use it if the group in question is hosting pedophilia.

      Speaking as a gay guy, there is an astroturf effort from the alt-right to try to paint the LGBT community as being so “inclusive” as to also include literal pedophiles, as if it’s just another sexuality or kink, and I’d rather prefer to nip that squarely in the bud by drawing a very hard line.

    • magnetosphere@kbin.social
      82·
      1 year ago

      That is a piss-poor analogy. Considering that you’re trying to defend the indefensible, though, I’d say it’s the least of your problems.

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
          41·
          1 year ago

          Understood. I don’t know where you’re from, so let me tell you about a common legal concept in the United States: aiding and abetting. Basically, if you knowingly help someone commit a crime (possessing cp), you’re often guilty of a crime as well. Plus, there’s the issue of distributing cp. That’s a crime in itself.

          To me, though, the legal details are secondary. My biggest issue is informed consent. Children cannot give informed consent. Therefore, any sexual pictures/video are exploitation. That’s not okay.

          Just the other day, I was talking with someone about the important difference between morality and legality, but in the case of cp, I think they got it right.

          (If you choose to reply, take your time. I’m headed out and won’t be able to answer right away.)

            • magnetosphere@kbin.social
              2·
              1 year ago

              Oh. We’re talking about slightly different things here. I was arguing against the instance existing at all.

              As for aiding and abetting, I can see it being successfully argued that yes, having the instance show up IS aiding and abetting. Granted, it’s not as clear cut, but if it’s proven that the people maintaining the search engine knew it was an instance that contained cp, that could be a major issue.

    • dramaticcat@sh.itjust.worksOP
      116·
      1 year ago

      You realize that they host MAP, beastiality, and zoophilia communities?

      It’s one thing to host kinky communities (a-ok as long as it’s legal), it’s another to host pedo communities. Check the fediseer link listed in the post for examples.

    • froggers@lemmy.world
      63·
      1 year ago

      being a pedo is not a kink. don’t really understand why it’s that hard to understand.

      • morphballganon@lemmy.world
        36·
        1 year ago

        What you are doing is called the straw man fallacy. Obvs pedophilia isn’t a kink, and you would know I wasn’t defending it if you had good reading comprehension skills.

        • froggers@lemmy.world
          92·
          1 year ago

          Yeah I guess when your dumass said “It’s ok to have a community for kinky people.” I mistakenly thought that you meant that pedos are a kink community. Honestly don’t know how I could have misread that. removedwit

    • Melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      You’re right that the post is badly written, because it just sorta says “this is a place that promotes paraphilia!” But in this particular case, this server hosts reprehensible content and is not just a community for kinky people that happens to have pedos on it.

      It’s like if there were a knife enthusiast instance where the largest local community was about committing crime, where the admin self-identifies as being into commiting crimes. It’s absolutely true most knife enthusiasts have no interest in committing crime, and therefore the knife enthusiasts who don’t want to commit crime probably wouldn’t join the server that promotes crime.

      The analogy falls apart a bit because it’s true that they’re not doing anything illegal over there, at least not publicly. But they’re still promoting viewing kids sexually, promoting sexual contact with kids, even talking about nude photos of kids.