- Harry Potter Fandoms will be a part of the Fediverse one way or the other. It’s better to shape this development rather than being overwhelmed by it.
- Harry Potter Fandoms are a huge opportunity for the Fediverse. Look at what the collaboration of Lego and Disney brought to Fortnite. People want to spend time in places, in which they feel familiar and welcomed. I’m not saying collaborating with big companies here, what I’m saying is: the Fediverse needs to be filled with life and we have to use that opportunity first, before others do.
- Don’t throw the opinions of J.K. Rowling and its fandom in one bucket. It’s one of the biggest in the world, there is a broad range of opinions and people.
- The Fediverse needs more projects that immediately make sense to people. Projects that you tell a person about, and they say: “Oh, yeah, that makes sense.” Mastodon in comparison to Twitter was such a thing: its billionaire proof. Everybody gets why that’s a good thing. A better, more open place to build Harry Potter fan sites could be another.
- The project (including other places like this that may follow) could also become another attractive place on the Fediverse for the open-source community. Who wouldn’t be excited to help build the world of Harry Potter?
All of this is of course up for discussion. I’m a very stubborn person but I’m also able to listen ;)
Edit: I removed “queer friendly” from the description. Its not a claim that I can fully uphold anyways. Instead, it has a no tolerancy policy against transphobia, which is more clear and probably easier to enforce.
Here is the link: https://diagonlemmy.social
Man, the gatekeeping is wild these days.
You’re allowed to like a story you grew up with as a child and also dislike its bigot author, they’re not mutually exclusive. Talking about Harry Potter doesn’t give Rowling magical transphobe powers; Voldemort logic doesn’t work in real life. The rightsholders have already taken great strides to distance the HP property from Rowling and adopt it to be more inclusive in spite of her TERF bullremoved. It’s not a hate crime to like a story about child wizards anymore.
If people want to geek out about some books or movies they like, they should be allowed to do so without the insinuation that they’re by default enabling transphobia or something. But the beauty of the Fediverse is that your community has just as much right to exist as any other, so as long as you can maintain a healthy, hate-free community that isn’t posting a bunch of pro-Rowling bullremoved, I say go for it. Anyone who would block your instance for merely existing probably isn’t worth your time, anyway.
I feel like most of what you said there can just be directly copy-pasted to the sidebar.
I love Harry Potter, what are you gonna do, block me? /s
For me all the hate Rowling gets just helps to make this brand bigger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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You’re not hosting a Tucker Carlson server to praise alt-right values
They may as well, to the kids on lemmy, they’re the exact same thing. There’s absolutely no nuance here at all. The hive-mind dictates what governs the outrage.
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When I was growing up, a lot of queer kids loved HP. There is a literal potion in the books that completely changes you to another person, including sex. I know a lot of millenial trans people who were able to come out referencing that potion and scene and how they could relate or wish they had that potion.
Imo, the books aren’t that good. For elementary and middle schoolers, sure, but I don’t think JK Rowling is a good author or world builder. I believe the IP/franchise relied heavily on the audience and Rowling backstabbed her queer fans. The same goes for the new game. It’s more open world drivel and I think the only way it got this big is because idiots kept talking about it.
With all of that said, having a community on lemmy that is about Harry Potter, and they are clearly pro-trans/queer, leftists/progressives, and ban any alt-right removedters then that is very good and powerful. It’s so powerful to get more HP fans in more leftist spaces so they can incept those ideas.
It’s so powerful to get more HP fans in more leftist spaces so they can incept those ideas.
That could prove to be harder than expected. I tried to reach out to r/harrypotter but they won’t let me put an advertisement post there :( Turns out that not so surprisingly, these fansites are kind of closed up themselves and until they open themselves up to AP, too, they will be very reluctant to any fediverse clones of them …
I’m now trying to reach out to other fansites. Let’s see.
That’s reddit. They don’t want their users to bleed and the mods that are left are scabs. It will be similar with other sites and it can feel like spam. The best thing you can do is populate the lemmy with HP info and hope it kicks off one day
Well, as always I’ll recommend our small existing community !harrypotter@literature.cafe
Literature.cafe is a lovely instance, Gabe the admin is a very nice person.
Good luck with your instance, I’ll probably visit
direct comm subscribe link !harrypotter@literature.cafe
fyi, Mbin now can utilize the standard ! format
Thank you Mbin expert
I second that, happy to hear Gabe is still around, gotta head over there!
Since he is being brought up, you should read exactly what Gabe said about the HP community. Clearly seems uncomfortable by the entire concept.
Gabe was also okay with us keeping the community there. I asked him on Matrix. If you want evidence, they appointed one of my alts as mod, which he shouldn’t have done if he wasn’t okay with the community.
We were ready to move the community elsewhere if Gabe would have preferred us to.
Thanks for the link, and yeah I devoured the books back in the day but wouldn’t recommend them or talk well about them today because the writer went aperemoved pro TERF and more. I mean WTF.
Thanks :)
The more the merrier. I will check it out sometime if I find the time.
love this! i’m trans and honestly harry potter was such a big reason why i’m still here. it was one of the only things i loved when i was still in the closet and between starkid, leaky, and pottercast, it resulted in making some amazing friends. removed rowling but i’ll never forget harry potter <3
harry potter is the trio and the fandom not the author
<3
Man. People need to learn how to ignore stuff they don’t like or use the block button.
right? there’s more outrage than is really worth it. just don’t participate in it if you don’t like it. instance blocking is a thing now on lemmy I’m fairly sure.
The crass may say “don’t hate the player, hate the game”, but a more accurate way to get the point across is that one can indeed separate the content from the creator and should not be judged for it.
Jewish people can watch Disney movies and not have to consider that Walt Disney was a huge anti-semite and a terrible human being.
People use Linux and don’t even care that Torvolds is no stranger to controversy himself.
It’s OK to like a story and not like the person who wrote it.
Divorcing the author from the work is rather challenging when that author is a living billionaire who makes money whenever you buy any kind of merchandise of their work. While pirating their trademarks without paying is in principle harmless, the moment you cross over into, say, paying money for Harry Potter Lego or Harry Potter Fortnite skins, you are then immediately funding the author’s hate campaigns
The instance name is clever, but I think you will find the concept embarrassing in hindsight. I would recommend not doubling down on the cognitive dissonance
People don’t seem to realize that their consumption of a product is seen by its beneficiaries.
Sure not YOU directly, but when someone sees “oh this place also set up something dedicated solely to the thing I made, they must really like me and approve of the things I do/say!” and others who agree with their removedty views think “oh they agree too, otherwise why promote it?”
Is it possible to separate the creatOR from the creatION? Yes. But not for everyone, and many of those who can’t will see your support as support of their own removedty ideals that match the creators’.
Sure, you may not be antisemitic, but the country club you go to for lunch sure is. Go ahead and pretend you’re not supporting them I guess.
Is it possible to separate the creatOR from the creatION? Yes. But not for everyone, and many of those who can’t will see your support as support of their own removedty ideals that match the creators’.
If it would be that easy, yes. But you ignore that H.P. does have a cultural value to it. Now you could try to re-build this, but first of all: it will be pretty hard to come up with something that no one feels offended by. And second of all: it will be pretty hard to come up with something that is equally popular.
For me, this is about post-structuralism vs. structuarlism. The current zeigeist is all about “deconstruction”, but if you de-construct everything, you are left with nothing. You need to build something new and that structure will always leave some room to deconstruct.
So I’m for leaving some of these cultural structures even if they are in parts worth overcoming. In case of the social web, which the Fediverse tries to create: it will not work without some kind of cultural structure on which it is build. People don’t want to spent time in a non-place, the Metaverse already failed because of that (at least its first try).
Post-structuralism is bad. Its anti-liberal and currently a big problem on the left imo.
I love to be able to reclaim works from their hateful authors, especially cultural ones. I’m a big fan of Lovecraft, and that dude was hateful. He makes JK Rowling look sweet and kindly. But it’s a lot easier to reclaim the narrative and make it a part of our culture when the author is literally dead.
Lovecraft is a cornerstone of modern fiction, despite being a bigot. We can acknowledge how he was a terrible person, even analyze it, but we know that our enjoyment of Lovecraftian fiction isn’t benefiting Lovecraft’s hateful causes, especially because the work is public domain.
In contrast, JK Rowling is not only still alive, she is active and vocal about her hatred, how she spends her money towards hate, and how she considers support of Harry Potter in light of her hate to be support of her vile views.
Consumption of media is not a passive action. Even if you do not actively give any money to the franchise, promoting the franchise encourages other people to do so, and then their money goes to fund hate.
I understand that HP is important to a lot of people. It was a cultural phenomenon. But we aren’t leaving it behind just because JK Rowling said something offensive. We’re leaving it behind because the author is actively using our consumption to fund hate and campaigning to deny rights to trans people.
There are plenty of other forms of media, new and old, that aren’t being piloted by known bigots. If you want a cultural backbone, using one that is currently controlled by a bigot will probably make a lot of trans people feel unwelcome at best and at worst, if HP continues to be a cultural phenomenon on a large scale JK Rowling will use the platform and the money to further the oppression of transgender rights.
I love to be able to reclaim works from their hateful authors, especially cultural ones. I’m a big fan of Lovecraft, and that dude was hateful. He makes JK Rowling look sweet and kindly. But it’s a lot easier to reclaim the narrative and make it a part of our culture when the author is literally dead.
Agreed. The athmosphere he creates is great but that dude was really problematic.
I understand that HP is important to a lot of people. It was a cultural phenomenon. But we aren’t leaving it behind just because JK Rowling said something offensive. We’re leaving it behind because the author is actively using our consumption to fund hate and campaigning to deny rights to trans people.
Sure, we find ourselves in a pickle, there. On the one hand, she is actively harming people and this will stay this way until it eventually becomes part of the public domain.
However, boycotting Harry Potter also comes as a price that, at least I would argue, also hurts minorities. Because the places create structure, which protects vulnarable people.
Why don’t we replace it with something else that does the same? Well, because in my opinion, Harry Potter culturally serves as a mythologization of the digital. People use it to understand the digital world. In past centuries, humans always made up stories and myths to understand complex concepts. The same thing is happening with the digital world and Harry Potter is one of the first to do this. It has a unique and central societal purpose.
That doesn’t mean that it can be improved, as can be seen in Hogwarts Legacy, which is kind of progressive, and also still slightly antisemetic, which is not so great, BUT I think overall the books still do much more good for vulnarable people than anything Rowling does against them, if she wants it or not.
So at the end of my line of thought, I always end up with two options: either create something new that does the same thing as H.P. while being more progressive but still hugely popular (which is hard to impossible), or to use H.P. and build on top of it to make it more modern (which is much easier).
What I would like to see more in these discussion is the question how EFFECTIVE Rowlings actions really are and if boycotting doesn’t hurt more than it helps.
Harry Potter spaces are not unique in creating structure. There are tons of fandoms, with millions of members. It’s not the first modern fandom by any means either. It’s not like if HP suddenly disappeared there wouldn’t be any fandoms of equivalent or larger size to provide “structure” to vulnerable people. Lots of them have more queer people in them too, and less transphobia.
I’m not sure what makes Harry Potter uniquely digital in your mind either. I’m sure you can interpret it as being about that, but I don’t think that’s the interpretation most people walk away with. Even if it really is a lens some people use to understand the Internet or whatnot, I certainly don’t think it’s the first story to be used in that way… There are a lot of stories that can claim that title that far predate Harry Potter, many of which have fandoms of their own.
I just don’t think HP is an essential backbone of culture. It’s important to a lot of people, for sure. And I can’t imagine what it’s like to realize that the creator of a work that’s so important to you is a terrible person. That has got to be a really removedty situation to be in. But there are other fandoms out there. There’s other great fiction, written by authors who won’t weaponize your consumption against minorities. It’s not a dichotomy of either you embrace Harry Potter or you must write your own.
But what are these other franchises? I seriously don’t know any that strike the same nerve as H.P.
Why don’t we replace it with something else that does the same?
This, it is our duty as people with good taste in media to promote better and less popular books to children. Earthsea by leguin, his dark materials by Pullman etc. hundreds of better books out there filling the same niche
But none of them is anywhere near the popularity of Harry Potter. In the german-speaking area, his dark material and Earthsea are even less common.
idk anything about german literature, i’m russian :( but when i was small i really liked the books momo and neverending story
I’m neither an HP fan nor queer so take what I’m going to say with a grain of salt.
I think that the idea is mostly good, but don’t underestimate the amount of work necessary to keep your instance safe. Make sure to have admins online 24/7, that they’re all on the same page regarding rule enforcement, consult often the queer community on stuff that matters, and make sure that it’s part of your admin team.
The main thing that I believe that you need to watch out for is users lacking discernment. They’ll come in two “flavours”: the ones trying to sell JK Rowling’s transphobia, and the ones trying to sell hate against the fanbase.
Also, I’m not sure but I think that “no tolerance towards transphobia” sounds easier to enforce than “queer-friendly”. The goal is the same, the difference is less subjectivity. (In general it’s better to approach rules and their enforcement as objectively as possible.)
Thanks for the tips, they are very helpful.
I think I will exclude “queer friendly” again. It raises some false promises that I think I cannot hold. I like the term “no tolerance towards transphobia”.
I would recommend only opening with regsitration application only. And only federate with instances you trust and want to get federated and have some contact with the admins that you federate with. ( On matrix or anywhere else ) We have a common, matrix channel where many admins are active ( https://matrix.to/#/#defense:lemmy.world ) there you get early warnings about bad stuff that could be federated to you.
Good advice
Look at what the collaboration of Lego and Disney brought to Fortnite.
I’m not sure if this is the example you want to follow
Hey, Good Luck with your endeavors. Beware of mob brigading and “canceling” you. There is already !harrypotter@literature.cafe Make sure you have at least one or two moderators with additional technical sysadmin that will keep the instance up.
I think the biggest challenge at the start will be keeping community alive. I know from experience that if you are the only person posting it is disheartening, and it leads to very fast burnout.
I think the biggest challenge at the start will be keeping community alive. I know from experience that if you are the only person posting it is disheartening, and it leads to very fast burnout.
Yeah, I think so, too. I fear that Harry Potter memes could play a crutial part here, but I’m not yet confortable enough to enable images. Let’s see how it goes …
You can use an external image host in the meantime (like imgur or catbox.moe, unfortunately I don’t know of any “open” solutions)
Already figured that one out myself but thanks anyways. Yeah, would be nice to have an open alternative there
Yup. The kids are gong to tear that place up.
I know from experience that if you are the only person posting it is disheartening, and it leads to very fast burnout.
Very true
Sounds cool. I’m not a Harry Potter fan and certainly no fan of Rowling, but I’m really surprised that this is controversal.
How do you explain the Fediverse? You can find an instance you like. Harry Potter people can have theirs.
I think this is a good idea and wish you all the best.
Moderation will be key of course, but the rules ( http://diagonlemmy.social/post/108 ) sound good.
At the same time, if somebody doesn’t even want to think about HP, they can easily block the entire instance, no harm no foul.
Did this even went through?
Yes. It went through
Ok thanks :)
Yes your post came through!
Wishing you best of luck with your server. You will need strict moderation to keep transphobia out.
Is this actually true? Rowling herself aside, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an openly transphobic Harry Potter fan - granted I also don’t spend a huge amount of time in Harry Potter forums and stuff.
There’s a loud minority who think Joanne is basically their god-empress and think she can do no wrong. There’s also a bit of people who became fans purely because their removedty views align with her removedty views.
This people are probably still on Twitter and Reddit and far from here
people who became fans purely because their removedty views align with her removedty views
Didn’t know that’s a thing, but I guess people find others to follow using different means and that could be one 😞
I think most fans are fine, all I’m saying is that it takes one or two malicious jerks and the space quickly becomes queer-unfriendly, which is why I suggest strict moderation, no tolerance for bigotry.
*heating up the popcorn and preparing for the outraaaaage!
Honestly, it’s not even about JK Rowling, the actual Harry Potter series has very poor values in general, and the world is quite poorly written. Not something I’d want to promote to other people or children regardless of Rowling’s nonsense. The books turned me off very much as a kid though the movies are much more palatable. It’s just a really mean series.
